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- nplenzick - 10-22-2008
ccm911 wrote:
Quote:Face it, republicans, you have lost.Don't bet on it Chris. There are many ignorant people out there. People who think Obama who is a terrorist, socialist, baby killer, anti American, wasn't born here, etc. Now is no time to complacent. I really thought it was a no brainier in the last election and look what happened.
- Porshagod - 10-22-2008
nplenzick wrote:
Quote:ccm911 wrote:Quote:Face it, republicans, you have lost.Don't bet on it Chris. There are many ignorant people out there. People who think Obama who is a terrorist, socialist, baby killer, anti American, wasn't born here, etc. Now is no time to complacent. I really thought it was a no brainier in the last election and look what happened.
- nplenzick - 10-23-2008
catchacab wrote:
Quote:The top 5 percent of earners in this country is a diverse group. It is not only limited the the publicly traded corporation executive (as the democrats would like everyone to believe) but also small business owners, entrepreneurs, doctors, etc. Many earners in this "elite group" started from modest means and worked hard and long to achieve admittance to this "elite group". How are they congratulated, by being able to pay higher taxes.
Currently the average family that earns $100+K donates about 3% of their gross income to charity $500+k about 3.5% and those over $1M about 4%. So those who are better off do voluntarily help those in need.
I have traveled around 2/3 of this country this past year and I can tell that this whole country in every economic level , in every region is a very diverse group. It's what makes this country what it is. When the Obama campaign decided on the 250K ( pre bailout) it's how they got their proposed budget to work.
The Republicans pretty much believe in the trickle down theory. Give tax breaks to the rich and to large corporations and it will filter down to the middle class and poor. Once upon a time it really did work, however since sometime during the Regan administration this no longer took place. Companies started outsourcing jobs to other countries, the rich just wanted to be richer. The trickle down theory pretty much is now the piss on theory.
I've been running my own business for over 20 years now, first as a building contractor and now in a retail business and I can tell you first hand that the vast majority of my customers and my very best customers are and always have been people who would be termed middle class. This was especially true as a building contractor. The truly rich that I worked for ( for the most part) where the biggest PIA and by far the stingiest people that I ever worked for.
Spreading the wealth is a way to preserve the middle class. The size of the middle class is what preserves our society. By most accounts the middle class has taking a pounding the last 6 years. Wages haven't come close to the real cost of living. The GW administration has led this country down the wrong path and the McCain campaign will continue that path.
As pointed out by one of the above posters Obama really is a centralist. By all accounts he is an absolutely a brilliant, deep thinker. The speeches that come from his mouth are his, written by him. He is thought very highly overseas and is feared by terrorists, which is why there are rumors of Bin Liden making a surprise tape supporting him in the hopes of derailing Obama's candidacy.
I'm a risk taker, after the election if Obama is elected I'll be investing the majority of IRA in Ford and GM as I see great things in the not to distant future for these two companies if we have a progressive thinker in the White House. When you go to the polls in less then two weeks for once in some of your life's take a risk, live on the edge a little, get out of that comfort zone and give Obama your vote. Great things could happen if he's elected and if he fails us at the end of four years I'll be the first person on this forum to say lets throw him out and get someone else to replace him!
- APXD 30 - 10-23-2008
AMoore wrote:
Quote:On a scale of 1 - 10, communist = 1 and anarchy =10 (both impossible to achieve), democrat =5 republican =6, socialist=4, libertarian=7.It seems Obama's trusted advisor and comrade skrews your scale.
AYERS April 12, 2002:
"I considered myself partly an anarchist then and I consider myself partly an anarchist now. I mean, I am as much an anarchist as I am a Marxist, um, which is to say I find a lot of the ideas in anarchism, you know, appealing and I'm very open about what I think, nobody here surprised by what I think. The struggle over various religious fundamentalism it's jihad being, you know, the most visible. But the religious fundamentalism of the Christians and of the Jews is equally troubling. Is one of the regrets that I took extreme measures against the United States at a time of tremendous crisis? No, it's not. I don't regret that."
- AMoore - 10-23-2008
APXD 30 wrote:
Quote:AMoore wrote:Quote:On a scale of 1 - 10, communist = 1 and anarchy =10 (both impossible to achieve), democrat =5 republican =6, socialist=4, libertarian=7.It seems Obama's trusted advisor and comrade skrews your scale.
AYERS April 12, 2002:
"I considered myself partly an anarchist then and I consider myself partly an anarchist now. I mean, I am as much an anarchist as I am a Marxist, um, which is to say I find a lot of the ideas in anarchism, you know, appealing and I'm very open about what I think, nobody here surprised by what I think. The struggle over various religious fundamentalism it's jihad being, you know, the most visible. But the religious fundamentalism of the Christians and of the Jews is equally troubling. Is one of the regrets that I took extreme measures against the United States at a time of tremendous crisis? No, it's not. I don't regret that."
Josh, I assume this is sarcasm. You are not really one of those people who believes that Ayres is one of Obama's "trusted advisors" are you?
Additionally, I believe it is impossible to be an anarchist while bing a Marxist. By the way, I have to fix my typo. socialist is 7 and libertarian is 4.
- ccm911 - 10-23-2008
Wellardmac wrote:
Quote:This is not a real election. It's a choice between the lesser of two evils. Neither choice is ideal. Given the choice I'd vote for a 3rd party candidate.
But guess what? There is no third candidate, so we mst do our best with what we have in front of us. I am no longer accepting the "I don't like either, so I won't vote" crowd.
Deal with it. It is either O'Bama or McCain.
- AMoore - 10-23-2008
I think we would have to change the Constitution in order for a third party candidate to have any chance. As it is, other parties pull votes away from the majors. Hypothetically, a conservative could get elected with 35 percent of the electoral college votes, while two liberal candidates, Green and Democrat, could split the remaining 65% of the electoral votes. The majority of Americans/states, would end up with a President who they philosphically disagree with. This could be countered if the top two candidates have a run-off if neither gets more than 50% of the votes.
- bobt993 - 10-23-2008
Aaron agreed,
It is surprising that some people believe that even though Obama was 8 years old when Ayers was in the paper, that there is a connection other than his affiliation from community activism. Obama seems to respect Ayers CURRENT participation in community development instead of his past behavior. Oh, Dick Cheney and Obama are related also so that should implicate Obama as an insider in the Bush circle.
The Washington Post reported in a fact check, "Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and 'passion for social justice.' 'This whole connection is a stretch,' Harrington told me. 'Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns.
The biggest problem for the RNC is they cannot find real dirt on their opponent that is worthy of a headline, so they are sticking to the "radical Muslim-anarchist conspiracy".
I have read enough on McCain's actual military record (from Cadet to pilot) to be disappointed and I guess that is why he does not spend an enormous amount time reflecting on it.
How can a guy call his opponent an "elitist" when he in fact was born of privilege; used his Family's prominence for career advancement (Naval Academy); and then divorced his wife to marry someone of wealth and influence (using Military aircraft to fly back and forth during the courtship).
Palin has been showing her ability to spend money gathered from taxpayers and lobbyist also:
How much did she spend at Neiman Marcus? At more than 700.00 a night, I hope her kids enjoyed the thread count off the sheets at the New York City Hotel they stayed at using taxpayer's money.
If graduating from Harvard and having the prestigious honor of being the President of the Harvard Law Review makes him and "elitist" then all the better.
Ask yourself who you would trust with the money you plan to retire with right now?
A graduate of Harvard or a C minus Cadet from Annapolis (McCain graduated 894 out of 899). Okay, at least he had better grades than 5 classmates. I actually find McCain intelligent and diligent, just too emotional for the job needed in Washington right now.
- emayer - 10-23-2008
AMoore wrote:
Quote:I think we would have to change the Constitution in order for a third party candidate to have any chance. As it is, other parties pull votes away from the majors. Hypothetically, a conservative could get elected with 35 percent of the electoral college votes, while two liberal candidates, Green and Democrat, could split the remaining 65% of the electoral votes. The majority of Americans/states, would end up with a President who they philosphically disagree with. This could be countered if the top two candidates have a run-off if neither gets more than 50% of the votes.
+1!
Ultimately it comes down to money. Just look at the disparity between Obama and McCain in funding for the campaigns. Incidentally, no one mentions Obama having reneged on that promise... Why can't there be a set amount of funds permissible for major parties to keep things on a more even keel and allow additional candidates to have a voice? I'd just hate for the lobbyists and special interests to be without purpose...
hock:- catchacab - 10-23-2008
If Obama is a centrist just like Chavez. Obama is just a more elloquent speaker.
DEMAND EXCELLECE
What we need to do is to demand excellence from our elected officials, government employees, corporations, co-workers, family members etc. If government operated efficiently we would Probably eliminate the budjet deficet and save enough money to pay off our debt.
The current tax code needs to be thrown out. A new simpler one needs to be written. Taxation rates should be different for individuals, families small business compared to large business. Certain basic incentives should be included in the new tax code to encourage savings, post secondary education, domestic investment and the creation of quality domestic jobs.
The budget of the federal government should be restricted to national defense, infrastructure, education, and research (this is a work in progress, we will probably expand this list)