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- emayer - 04-01-2008
Please consider my comments carefully, none of what I propose is that extreme. I don't think we need a Depression to get our country back on track either. I suggested only that we allow the forces of capitalism (on which this country is founded) a chance to play out the mortgage fiasco on its own. No more government handouts or additional tax burdens on all of us to mitigate against those who made poor financial choices in purchasing those McMansions you criticize and the banks that funded them. What is the issue with that? How are we as a nation going to alter our consumptive ways if the hard lessons aren't dealt?
- catchacab - 04-01-2008
emayer wrote:
Quote:Please consider my comments carefully, none of what I propose is that extreme. I don't think we need a Depression to get our country back on track either. I suggested only that we allow the forces of capitalism (on which this country is founded) a chance to play out the mortgage fiasco on its own. No more government handouts or additional tax burdens on all of us to mitigate against those who made poor financial choices in purchasing those McMansions you criticize and the banks that funded them. What is the issue with that? How are we as a nation going to alter our consumptive ways if the hard lessons aren't dealt?agreed
- catchacab - 04-01-2008
If we look back on our history to see what made our country the strongest nation in the world, we can use that as a basis on what will make our country great once again.
1. Availability of natural resources (industrial)
2. Hard working work force
3. Industrial capacity
4. Ingenuity
5. Efficient transportation systems
6. Ample food supply
7. A government that allowed business to grow
8. Reasonable labor rates
Please add to this list
- nplenzick - 04-01-2008
emayer wrote:
Quote:Please consider my comments carefully, none of what I propose is that extreme. I don't think we need a Depression to get our country back on track either. I suggested only that we allow the forces of capitalism (on which this country is founded) a chance to play out the mortgage fiasco on its own. No more government handouts or additional tax burdens on all of us to mitigate against those who made poor financial choices in purchasing those McMansions you criticize and the banks that funded them. What is the issue with that? How are we as a nation going to alter our consumptive ways if the hard lessons aren't dealt?
Your quote "Allow free market forces to play this out. A harsh and and costly lesson on the scale of the Great Depression".
The problem is if we didn't bail out Bear Sterns no one could predict what would happen. Many banks could have failed leading to a domino effect which could have effected the average Joe who has been living well with in his means. The Fed did the right thing. I'm I glad they had to do it? Hell No! Nobody's going to bail my ass out, and believe me my ass is on the line right now with this business.
I suspect that we'll see some new legislation on the books and guidelines in the next year or so. Most of the experts agree, if we dodged the bullet they wouldn't want to go through this again.
You can teach a child two ways to not touch a hot stove, you can put his hand on it until their skin sizzles or you can educate them about what could happen. Both ways will work. But which one makes the most sense?
The "free market" with the current administration is an illusion my friend. Controlled by very large special interest groups.
You are correct we will have some sacrifices to make and if GW would have begun that process the days and weeks after 911 we would have big head start by now!
- nplenzick - 04-01-2008
catchacab wrote:
Quote:If we look back on our history to see what made our country the strongest nation in the world, we can use that as a basis on what will make our country great once again.
1. Availability of natural resources (industrial)
Quote:Yep we got them, lets extract them properly and in a responsible manner
2. Hard working work force
Quote:I believe that the US worker is already the hardest worker in the world
3. Industrial capacity
Quote:Use to have it until we shipped it out to other country's
4. Ingenuity
Quote:The most creative people in the world live here
5. Efficient transportation systems
Quote:Who's going to pay for this.....not the free market that's for sure.
6. Ample food supply
Quote:Got plenty right here, we already feed a large part of the world
7. A government that allowed business to grow
Quote:The government hasn't stopped me or any of the other business owners I know.
8. Reasonable labor rates
Quote:What do you call reasonable?
Quote:Please add to this list
Quote:9. An intelligent leader who will actually lead!
Quote:
- dmano - 04-01-2008
Wellardmac wrote:
Quote:Why SHOULD anyone swear on anything they don't believe in. I'm atheist, I would find it offensive to have to swear on a bible.
I have no moral compass to guide all of my decisions. I MUST be a bad person
I think your compass reads magnetic south.
When you get arrested for your comments on this forum and you go to court and have to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth on a holy bible what will you do then you heathen.
- ccm911 - 04-01-2008
I am also an atheist. Problem?
- dmano - 04-01-2008
Hell no, no problem here just bustin Wayne's balls.
My bible is the shop manual.
- ccm911 - 04-01-2008
Same here. But it is fun to rile up Wayne.
- emayer - 04-02-2008
nplenzick wrote:
Quote:emayer wrote:Quote:Please consider my comments carefully, none of what I propose is that extreme. I don't think we need a Depression to get our country back on track either. I suggested only that we allow the forces of capitalism (on which this country is founded) a chance to play out the mortgage fiasco on its own. No more government handouts or additional tax burdens on all of us to mitigate against those who made poor financial choices in purchasing those McMansions you criticize and the banks that funded them. What is the issue with that? How are we as a nation going to alter our consumptive ways if the hard lessons aren't dealt?
Your quote "Allow free market forces to play this out. A harsh and and costly lesson on the scale of the Great Depression".
The problem is if we didn't bail out Bear Sterns no one could predict what would happen. Many banks could have failed leading to a domino effect which could have effected the average Joe who has been living well with in his means. The Fed did the right thing. I'm I glad they had to do it? Hell No! Nobody's going to bail my ass out, and believe me my ass is on the line right now with this business.
I suspect that we'll see some new legislation on the books and guidelines in the next year or so. Most of the experts agree, if we dodged the bullet they wouldn't want to go through this again.
You can teach a child two ways to not touch a hot stove, you can put his hand on it until their skin sizzles or you can educate them about what could happen. Both ways will work. But which one makes the most sense?
The "free market" with the current administration is an illusion my friend. Controlled by very large special interest groups.
You are correct we will have some sacrifices to make and if GW would have begun that process the days and weeks after 911 we would have big head start by now!
To think the issues we are discussing are purely the result of the current administration is delusional. The problems we face today are the result of poor governance decades ago.
You think these banks will avoid risk to make a quick buck in the future ESPECIALLY if the Fed is going to bail them out each time? Remember the S&L crisis? That was no more than 20 years ago.
If children listened to all the lessons given life would be easy. Occasionally punishment is in order to get the point across. Better yet children sometimes have to be left to their own devices to learn things on their own.
Other than replacing GW, I'm still waiting for your input as to what this country could do to alleviate the present situation and regain our declining status within the global economy.