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- betegh9 - 07-02-2009
bobt993 wrote:
Quote:Yes, this why championship autocrossers are first good road racers. Nothing like WDC auto-crosser that was originally say an ALMS or F1 driver. BTW, does repeating your post make your argument more convincing?
OK? Then why are there sooooo few AX'ers in our club.
I'll CHALLENGE any and all track guys at the P&P AX on July 12th. Be there or be square! I've heard all the excuses: 1. "All day for 6 runs of less than a minute" 2. "My car is not set up for AX" 3. "I can't read the cones". I don't make excuses when I'm at the track........... My slogan: MOUTH SHUT.......FOOT DOWN!
If you'd listen to Randy Probst talk, he was an AXer fefore a road racer........ that experience made him a far better driver. Those words came from him. :dude:
- Mike Andrews - 07-02-2009
Nick,
I don't think anyone is saying that being an AX'er is a bad thing. You don't need to defend/challenge it.
But I would hazzard a guess (answer) to your question.... the reason there are more DE'ers than AX'ers is that DE is more fun.
A day of AX consists of a handful of 60 second runs, a day at the track is roughly 80 minutes of track time. Unless you're at Pocono and then it's sit around in the fog for the morning and then go out in the afternoon.
- betegh9 - 07-02-2009
Mike Andrews wrote:
Quote:Nick,
I don't think anyone is saying that being an AX'er is a bad thing. You don't need to defend/challenge it.
But I would hazzard a guess (answer) to your question.... the reason there are more DE'ers than AX'ers is that DE is more fun.
A day of AX consists of a handful of 60 second runs, a day at the track is roughly 80 minutes of track time. Unless you're at Pocono and then it's sit around in the fog for the morning and then go out in the afternoon.
When you kick yourself in the rear for eating breakfast that caused you to be 3/1000 of a second out of 1st place, and the competition is fierce, the 60 second run is nothing compared to the prep, study to get the extra 1/10th and talking to the other competitors. Competition is............ exciting. DE is sleepwalking. Try time trials.........
Anyways, how come Riesentoter does not do time trials at track events?
- bobt993 - 07-02-2009
betegh9 wrote:
Quote:Mike Andrews wrote:Because some participants seem to think they ran a second or two faster than they actually did.
Quote:Nick,
I don't think anyone is saying that being an AX'er is a bad thing. You don't need to defend/challenge it.
But I would hazzard a guess (answer) to your question.... the reason there are more DE'ers than AX'ers is that DE is more fun.
A day of AX consists of a handful of 60 second runs, a day at the track is roughly 80 minutes of track time. Unless you're at Pocono and then it's sit around in the fog for the morning and then go out in the afternoon.
When you kick yourself in the rear for eating breakfast that caused you to be 3/1000 of a second out of 1st place, and the competition is fierce, the 60 second run is nothing compared to the prep, study to get the extra 1/10th and talking to the other competitors. Competition is............ exciting. DE is sleepwalking. Try time trials.........
Anyways, how come Riesentoter does not do time trials at track events?
hock: Just go race in a field of say 70 cars in the rain. Now that's challenging and fun. Nothing wrong with autocross, but comparing DE and Autocross is not relevant. We had at least 20 cars that race NASA, PCA, and SCCA at the last event honing their skills and having fun. Nick you always seem to pick this argument by trash talking DE & Road racing as if anyone is really listening.
- betegh9 - 07-02-2009
bobt993 wrote:
Quote:betegh9 wrote:Quote:Mike Andrews wrote:Because some participants seem to think they ran a second or two faster than they actually did.
Quote:Nick,
I don't think anyone is saying that being an AX'er is a bad thing. You don't need to defend/challenge it.
But I would hazzard a guess (answer) to your question.... the reason there are more DE'ers than AX'ers is that DE is more fun.
A day of AX consists of a handful of 60 second runs, a day at the track is roughly 80 minutes of track time. Unless you're at Pocono and then it's sit around in the fog for the morning and then go out in the afternoon.
When you kick yourself in the rear for eating breakfast that caused you to be 3/1000 of a second out of 1st place, and the competition is fierce, the 60 second run is nothing compared to the prep, study to get the extra 1/10th and talking to the other competitors. Competition is............ exciting. DE is sleepwalking. Try time trials.........
Anyways, how come Riesentoter does not do time trials at track events?
Nick you always seem to pick this argument by trash talking DE & Road racing as if anyone is really listening.
The time trial scores (times) speak for themselves........
Those who know me over the years, know better.
No! You got it wrong this time. I'd just like to get some people's blood heated up (not boiling) a bit to get them involved in the club and AX. AX has gotten a bad rap at RTR. When only 8 people participate in a roadshow event out of 1200+ members............ it is not SAD, it is shamefull. It is not fair to have one person responsible for the AX program without a supporting cast, and make it a go of it. Why don't the DE people get involved and help out for this also to be a success? It is driving, it's competitive, it's bantering, it's fun. It may not be your first choice, but it is the most affordable club competitive event, right?
So who would like to take my CHALLENGE? I am not picking on anybody, and I don't know the exact formula, but I'm trying to help the AX program...............
Where is the Deerhunter?:dude::dude:
- bobt993 - 07-03-2009
THis started out as a great thread under the subject " Driver Education". There happens to be another category for Autocross. You could also try "Off Topic" for rants about how DE drivers are inferior to your autocross skills. As far as your opinion(s) about yourself I can only say fast drivers/racers seem to say very little about how good they are, but let their results do the talking.
- Terry - 07-03-2009
Geez, I left my sunroof open and somehow this turned into an attack on DE in general and,I guess, me. If I promise never to leave the roof open again, will Nick give it a rest?
- Racingswh - 07-03-2009
DE is sleepwalking? Who are you? Do you attend our DE events? Have you actually looked at Mikes pictures and seen the car to car overlap into 7 that requires pretty significant levels of skill by all to manage situations such as that properly?
In addition, DE events are so much more than just driving around the track. The after the track is closed social interaction is just as much fun as the driving itself.
Mike these pictures are fantastic as many have stated. To me they are professional in quality and capture the essence of our DE event as well as the motorsports competition going on next door. Great job!!
What a great weekend! Can't wait for the Glen!!
Steve W. Hoagland
- Phokaioglaukos - 07-03-2009
Can we turn this thread into a discussion of how DE is for pussies and real men race?
- arac - 07-04-2009
great photos