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- emayer - 03-23-2010
By all means, don't take my word for it that this plan is a deficit nightmare:
Click here: Op-Ed Contributor - The Real Arithmetic of Health Care Reform - NYTimes.com
- cjbcpa - 03-23-2010
I saw this similar article in Bloomberg:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aEhggnpXWFT4
And this one on and even more frightening take on the increase in taxes:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601010&sid=apU2CQDSEG9g
One item not factored into the CBO projections either are the financial gymnastics that the wealthy will go through to avoid these tax increases, nullifying to a degree the very funding foundation this house of lies is built on. Forget Tea Party'ers the next fad will be "going John Galt"
- emayer - 03-23-2010
Time to move to Greece. Their socialist system is in better financial shape than ours!
Thanks for the additional links. Anyone willing to step up now and defend this?
- CarreraS - 03-23-2010
A client just sent this to me. Apparently there is a bumper sticker that reads, "Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8"
For those of us (like me) who have no idea what Psalm 109:8 says:
"Let his days be few; and let another take his office. "
I love subtlety. While I wish the President good health and hope he has many years on this earth, I hope his days in office are indeed numbered. He can have as many days in office as Jimmy Carter.
- AMoore - 03-23-2010
Like I said, we are all believe in socialism to an extent, the difference is how much.
Again, only time will tell as to the financial impact of this legislation on the debt, and our taxes. Right now the health care system is costing the govt. way more than it will after the changes are imposed. Even if the changes do increase the deficit and taxes further, the increases would be minor compared to the waste that gave rise to this deficit which had been recently erased. All social programs cost money. The Republicans are simply attacking the most recently passed legislation. They could just as easily argue that public education, libraries, SSI, medicaid, and medicare are forms of wealth redistribution. Heck, for that matter, all taxes constitute a redistribution of wealth. Is healthcare less important than education, libraries, the war in Iraq, the arts, national parks, the infrastructure, wildlife preservation, public pools and recreation facilities, etc.?
It makes more sense to purge where necessary, and economically feasible, than to simply say stop taxing me further and leave things as they are.
- Tony356993 - 03-23-2010
Quote:One item not factored into the CBO projections either are the financial gymnastics that the wealthy will go through to avoid these tax increases, nullifying to a degree the very funding foundation this house of lies is built on
This current situation is not unlike any other. Once rules have been established and guidelines set, those of us that will be burdened by the increases in taxes will wisely, prudently and legally make the needed changes to nullify any increased tax burden and maintain our lifestyle. Financial planners are probably already working on avenues to help their clients keep more of their hard earned money.
Likewise, any of us in health care will make the necessary decreases in expenditures (namely payroll via outsourcing or automation) to end the year with a credible profit margin. It is simply not possible to expect the same level of care and service from a provider that is making less money. It is just common sense. Think about when we were kids and the doctor would spend as much time as necessary with you if you were ill or even come to your home if you were in need. As insurance has become the norm and reimbursements decreased, physician did what any wise business person would do - they changed. The doctor now spends far less time with each patient and nurse practitioner and physicians assistants take the load of primary care office visits - especially in the poorer neighborhoods. Why? Because the system has established the rules and the doctor has wisely worked within the parameters of the rules to run his/her business prudently.
This legislation is just bad economics. Government has shown time and time again that they cannot run/manage any operation as efficiently or cost conscious as the private sector. Why did I need a letter mailed to me a week before the census was mailed out? Were the non-stop radio and tv ads not enough? WASTE. Why did I have to get a postcard a week after the census arrived to see if I mailed it yet? WASTE. Was that postcard really going to change if I mail back my census. WASTE.
In each person's core there is either the desire for more government or less government and that is our right. Don't get me started on the cash for clunker fiasco - did we really have to destroy all those cars - with all those parts - those cars could have been GIVEN to lower income families for basic transportation. How about all those used parts that could help to keep someones work vehicle on the road?
Our country deserves it's leader to vote for the people. The damage this bill can cause IMHO far outweighs the good it is trying to achieve. We all have budgets in our lives and we enjoy the benefits of adhering to a budget or feel the pain of being overextended. Our current leaders are continuing what our last leaders started - spending far more money then they receive. Taxing more is not as simple of an answer as some may think.
hock:- dmano - 03-23-2010
I have an idea! Does not happen very often but here goes.
If you want to come to this country to work or escape the laws of another country it will cost you 10K per person to imigrate to the USA, if you are caught here illegaly you will have to work for 1 year with no pay with all your wages going to pay for your free health care for that year. After you serve your term you will then still need to pay the 10K to stay.
- dmano - 03-23-2010
All the Dems drank the cool-aid non of the Repubs did they only drank beer. That is why the vote went the way it did.