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- bobt993 - 04-07-2007
Tony, the bummer is Tom is around 2:10. I hope getting the suspension tuned will get me a sec, but he still has 30hp+ and 300lb less weight than me (maybe he is just faster too!). I am sure once your monster is tuned, you will be down there too.
P.S. There are alot of cars in black running well below 2:20's as you know.
- Racingswh - 04-07-2007
Would you say when Todd is in his Probe he is the slowest in Red? Are Bob and Tom in the bottom 1/2 of the Red run group?
Loaded questions I know. I am really just kidding and am chuckling to myself while I am typing. By my stopwatch the answers are no and no.
I am very aware that many in Red and some in Black are way, way faster. I was trying to give an idea of pace. Those guys are going pretty quick for what they're racing and staying pretty close to each other while they are doing it. Wasn't trying to say that we're slow. lol!
- Tony356993 - 04-07-2007
I'm quite sure I would not be running a 2:21 in a probe GT. Those guys are pretty fast and very good drivers.
- bobt993 - 04-07-2007
Todd is a great driver and I enjoy running with him. His probe is pretty tricked out and I believe he had to run streets because of his mods VS the competition. I like the way NASA attempts to level the field.
I think it was reasonable of Tony to respond considering alot of drivers have no idea how relevant the comment about lap times/ ability was to the Red/Black group drivers in RTR.
As far as HP/Weight ratio. I am sitting at almost 11bs/hp in a D stock 993. The upper field in Nasa has some cars similar if not a little better HP ratio. Full course VIR favors the 911 as does the Glen. I ran 2:12s with a brand new setup. no prior driving/tuning, and on old R tires sitting over the winter. I think a 2:10 would be my best effort with expert tuning/instructing. I believe most of the Red group would equal and exceed these times.
- Racingswh - 04-07-2007
bobt993 wrote:
Quote: I believe most of the Red group would equal and exceed these times.
This was from qualifying from the last race on record at VIR by PCA in 05'. Based on the best times which were in the high 1:50's, which is really rolling, my guess is that it was probably dry although it could possibly still have been unfavorable. I would guess everyone of these drivers listed below is definitely in Black and probably in the Red run group. So like I said based on the info I could find and what I have timed myself at other tracks the guys in their Probes, Sentra's and NX's are just as fast as the bottom 1/2 to 1/3 unless I am missing something or it was conditions related. This was the only PCA timed event info I could find for VIR. Doesn't look like there was a race in O6'.
22
4
196
TALLARDY
CARL
C
02:18.9
20.454
4
RED
99 996
23
1
109
ROBERTSON
SCOTT
GT2S
02:19.6
21.118
3
GREEN
93 993
24
5
53
ALBAN
MANNY
C
02:19.8
21.297
10
WHITE
90 911 C2
25
2
55
TREMPER
PETE
GT3S
02:20.3
21.824
9
BLACK
70 914-6
26
2
66
DRINNEN
PATRICK L
GT2S
02:20.5
22.065
7
YELLOW
93 911 RSA
27
2
257
ISABEL
WYATT K
GT3R
02:20.7
22.274
9
BLACK
77 911 S
28
4
711
WEINING
MARK E
F
02:20.8
22.39
3
PLATINUM
84 911 CARRERA
29
3
31
FINLEY
MARK S
GT3R
02:21.5
23.014
10
BLUE/GREEN
88 944 T
30
5
89
PATTERSON
GEORGE M
F
02:21.5
23.061
9
SILVER
89 911 CARRERA
31
1
84
McNEIL
ANDY
GTP1
02:22.4
23.901
2
RED/WHITE/BLUE
73 914-6
32
2
64
CURTIS
JEFFREY S
D
02:23.0
24.582
9
WHITE
91 911 C2
33
1
136
TAYLOR
JOHN F
G
02:25.8
27.344
8
SILVER/BLACK
80 911SC
34
3
83
LEE
MARK S
D
02:26.4
27.973
9
SILVER
95 993
35
2
119
COSTA
TIMOTHY J
G
02:26.6
28.148
9
BLUE
79 911 SC
36
1
96
LANE
DICK
H
02:32.7
34.217
3
RED
74 911 CARRERA
37
6
168
PATTERSON
GEORGE H
F
02:32.7
34.264
3
RED
86 951
38
1
26
VAHLE
THOMAS J
I
02:33.8
35.363
8
FLAMINGO
88 944
39
3
80
CARRINGTON
ROBERT
G
02:34.0
35.51
1
RED
80 911
And lastly, Todd's modification list in his own words
"she's a 1993 Probe GT (a little over 180k miles total; maybe 35k track miles?). no sunroof. stock drivetrain, with ebay header and a ReidSpeed exhaust. iceman intake. stock ecu. no lsd. stock final drive. eibach street springs. original oem ford shocks in the rear. tokico in front (installed the street springs and tokicos in 1996). all original suspension, bushings, hubs; never been touched. addco rear swaybar. stock front bar. stripped interior. autopower bolt in cage. 225-45-16 hankook ventus z212 rs-2 street tires (200 treadwear). raybestos st41 front pads. pep boys rear pads. A/C removed.
thats all she's had done!"
- bobt993 - 04-08-2007
Boy, your dangerous.... Next question. Did you know the track conditions last year? I do... Rain, Rain Rain, several RED flags full course no go's. They barely completed that race.
Hey, I am faster than the Rolex drivers according to two years ago. I would have taken first place in GT and Prototypes. They were barely running 2:23's and 2:28's. Oh damn, so it RAINED then also, but still.....................
- Tony356993 - 04-08-2007
Quote:22
4
196
TALLARDY
CARL
C
02:18.9
20.454
4
RED
99 996
23
1
109
ROBERTSON
SCOTT
GT2S
02:19.6
21.118
3
GREEN
93 993
24
5
53
ALBAN
MANNY
C
02:19.8
21.297
10
WHITE
90 911 C2
Quote:These are not "little cars" and they are not Nissan NX's or Ford Probes and all those times would be slower then the red group and half of the black group. Just MHO.
- jakp993 - 04-08-2007
I've raced with Todd - he's an incredible driver. I got an e-mail from him about this race. He said that was all the speed he had - he was driving at 10.1 10ths
Put him in equipment equal to ours and I dare say he'd smoke most, if not all, of us! He's fantastic at maintaining momentum thru corners. Comes from years of driving/racing relatively low horsepower cars.
- Tony356993 - 04-08-2007
Quote:He's fantastic at maintaining momentum thru corners. Comes from years of driving/racing relatively low horsepower cars.
agreed.
he had the honda at sp last year and i "tried" to learn from him by watching what he was doing. that's what separates us from most of the mammals, the ability to learn.
personal coaching avail. ?
- Racingswh - 04-08-2007
You can check me if you want to but you're right I don't know the conditions. Those guys run in the Stinger/Fighter race groups at NASA.
https://www.pca.org/clubrace/2005_results/vir/Qual2.htm
https://www.pca.org/clubrace/2004_results/vir/VIR-Qual2.htm
https://www.pca.org/clubrace/2004_results/vir/VIR-Qual1.htm
https://www.pca.org/clubrace/2002_results/vir/g1grid.htm
https://www.pca.org/clubrace/2002_results/vir/g2grid.htm
http://www.nasaracing.net/VIR_March_07/results/Sat_Qualifying_Stinger_0331.html
http://www.nasaracing.net/VIR_Feb_07/qualifying%20results/Sat_Fighter_Qualifying.html
Wasn't trying to be argumentative. Sorry if it seems that way. I know that if those guys ran in the RTR Red run group their pace would be fine and they wouldn't be in the way all that much. It looks like they had lot's of fun racing out there.
Steve W. Hoagland