04-13-2008, 10:47 AM
nplenzick wrote:
I'm sorry, but you're pulling a Barack here. I'm just not getting any specifics here and you're dodging the questions. Telling me to read the book or referring me to the website just doesn't cut it. I have looked on his website and not seen any specifics on the three questions that I have posed. He's clear and articulate in communicating his overarching vision, but suddenly gets more vague when asked exactly what he's going to do and how he's going to pay for it. Visionaries are great on leadership, terrible on execution.
I have provided specifics, but have gotten none in return. It's the job of any candidate to justify to the electorate why they should be elected and Obama (and you arguing on his behalf) has failed to do that. I'm not going to be convinced that he's a worthy candidate without seeing specifics of his plan. If he's not showing it, then he doesn't deserve my vote. Clinton has done a far better job of saying what she's going to do and how she's going to pay for it.
Additionally, I'm not sure how you can say that Obama has been in the spotlight longer than McCain or Clinton - he's a newbie that has been in the spotlight a fraction of the time than either of his competition. McCain has been a senator since 1982 and Clinton in the national spotlight since Bill started running for President in 1991. Obama was 21 years old and still in School when McCain entered the national spotlight. He was just finishing his law degree at Harvard when Hillary entered the Presidential campaign with Bill. Hillary has been in public service since Obama was 18 years old. Obama has not been around enough to build a track record and credibility that arises from saying what you do and doing what you say. He certainly hasn't received any real critical analysis of his words or deeds from the media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_obama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
Obama is great at grabbing attention, but on close inspection I'm left hungry for more details and he's not giving any... sounds just like any other politician to me!
Wouldn't it be wonderful if our media were asking the same questions that I am? ...that would actually make for a decent discussion and hold him accountable to his grandiose vision. Nothing builds credibility better than real details and data. What does he have to be afraid of? If he provided specifics he might convince even more people like me that he's worthy of receiving our votes.
Here's one for you to ponder... Obama claims to be wanting to reform campaign finance laws... he seems to forget that McCain has done far more on that subject than any other other public servant. I wonder how he's going to deal with that fact once the GOP starts to point it out to the electorate!
Quote:You see I can pull the same thing from Barack or McCains web site. As I mentioned earlier not one of the three can really be specfic on anything. All they can do is give a general outline as what they hope they can accomplish. I can see Baracks negotiating skills being a big plus with other countries, he's able to see other then black or white and I'm not talking race here.............but then again you'd have to read the bookThe one candidate who's been in the spotlight more and the longest then any of the three has been Barack. I will agree that racism and sexism do play a role but if this economy is still in the dump in November people will vote for the tin man if they had to. Now back to the Moto GP
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I'm sorry, but you're pulling a Barack here. I'm just not getting any specifics here and you're dodging the questions. Telling me to read the book or referring me to the website just doesn't cut it. I have looked on his website and not seen any specifics on the three questions that I have posed. He's clear and articulate in communicating his overarching vision, but suddenly gets more vague when asked exactly what he's going to do and how he's going to pay for it. Visionaries are great on leadership, terrible on execution.
I have provided specifics, but have gotten none in return. It's the job of any candidate to justify to the electorate why they should be elected and Obama (and you arguing on his behalf) has failed to do that. I'm not going to be convinced that he's a worthy candidate without seeing specifics of his plan. If he's not showing it, then he doesn't deserve my vote. Clinton has done a far better job of saying what she's going to do and how she's going to pay for it.
Additionally, I'm not sure how you can say that Obama has been in the spotlight longer than McCain or Clinton - he's a newbie that has been in the spotlight a fraction of the time than either of his competition. McCain has been a senator since 1982 and Clinton in the national spotlight since Bill started running for President in 1991. Obama was 21 years old and still in School when McCain entered the national spotlight. He was just finishing his law degree at Harvard when Hillary entered the Presidential campaign with Bill. Hillary has been in public service since Obama was 18 years old. Obama has not been around enough to build a track record and credibility that arises from saying what you do and doing what you say. He certainly hasn't received any real critical analysis of his words or deeds from the media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_obama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
Obama is great at grabbing attention, but on close inspection I'm left hungry for more details and he's not giving any... sounds just like any other politician to me!
Wouldn't it be wonderful if our media were asking the same questions that I am? ...that would actually make for a decent discussion and hold him accountable to his grandiose vision. Nothing builds credibility better than real details and data. What does he have to be afraid of? If he provided specifics he might convince even more people like me that he's worthy of receiving our votes.
Here's one for you to ponder... Obama claims to be wanting to reform campaign finance laws... he seems to forget that McCain has done far more on that subject than any other other public servant. I wonder how he's going to deal with that fact once the GOP starts to point it out to the electorate!
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