additional debate over health care reform

[nplenzick]

ccm911 wrote:

nplenzick wrote:

Funny how you use this as a way to "show" the abuse of tax money. One only needs to only look at the defense budget to really see some serious abuses.

Maybe you mist the part that I left the republican party because they no longer represent the moderate point of view? So I guess that makes me a liberal right?

Be careful, Nick, talk like that could get you branded as a Communist, Marxist, Socialist, or a Bleeding Heart.

Just check the other thread to see how these folks react to non-republicans.

I mean, really. How dare we be so brazen as to attempt to help those who really need it? Wouldn't that money be much better spent on tax cuts? Because, as we have all seen in the past thirty years, trickle-down economcs has really worked to promote the greater good.

And as for the 90 thousand Tea Party jokers...what can you say? Truly a group of intellectuals. Perhaps if I move my lips as I read their literature, I may be able to stumble through the bigger words.

"I can see Russia from my house"......

The internet is full of them Chris, that's why they "think" the majority is on their side. The reality of it is there nothing but a bunch of blowhards, nothing more. If they really wanted to contribute to the change that they seek they would start running for election. It's done all the time, someones loved one gets killed or rapped by some nut case, they don't like how the legal system worked so they run for an elected position to try to change it. You know what Chris? Most of the time they succeed. But with the right-winger rigid mindset it's far easier to play Monday morning quarter back then to put there own ideas on the line. Wouldn't you agree?

The progressive liberal mind founded this country. The vast majority of people must agree as we honor that mindset with many memorials like Mt Rushmore and even our own currency.

So you right wingers keep stamping your feet, keep calling anti abortionist democrats baby killers ( gee you would think they would at least pick the pro choice ones), just keep going with all of your BS rhetoric We in the middle and to the left will just keep on planing your defeat.

[nplenzick]

ccm911 wrote:

emayer wrote:

Nothing against reflectors at all. Matter of fact, I really prefer the post-system (Katzen Augen) used all over Europe.

And another quote refering to how vastly superior Europe is.

But you contnue to live here in America?

I wonder how much those European reflectors cost? But then again I believe they pay a much higher tax rate for their highway systems.

I also wonder where this highway of reflector hell is? Maybe emayer can give me the location so I can see for myself this waste of tax payer dollars.

[Brian Minkin]

In Flagler County Florida all the state and county highways are lined with reflectors on the left right and center of the road. If it is multi lane they are divided by reflectors as well.  Driving there at night is a pleasure. Come to think of it the roads around Sebring are that way also so it must be a state thing. If only they did this to the race track then racing at night would be a hell of a lot easier also.

[ccm911]

Brian Minkin wrote:

In Flagler County Florida all the state and county highways are lined with reflectors on the left right and center of the road. If it is multi lane they are divided by reflectors as well. Driving there at night is a pleasure. Come to think of it the roads around Sebring are that way also so it must be a state thing. If only they did this to the race track then racing at night would be a hell of a lot easier also.

Hey Brian. Remember the old yarn.."If you do it too much, you'll grow blind"?

Do I see a trend here?

[Mike Thomas #828]

How dare we be so brazen as to take from those who produce and give, through forced sacrifice, to those who do not produce.

 

You write as if America has never had any entitlements. The war on poverty is as fruitless as the war on drugs.

Redistribution of wealth leads to the destruction of wealth.

 

[emayer]

Sorry for the delayed response, been away.

Actually, I spend alot of time in both countries.  No question, America is superior though!  I point out the reflector system used there because it makes more sense.  Again, I'm not against the concept at all, but if you take a ride on this particular road you'll see that it wasn't implemented well and is a waste of resources.  Sounds like Flagler county Florida did a better job of this.  Brings up a reasonable question, shouldn't all this be standardized?

Here's the location for any doubters out there:

Easton Road, Hellertown PA.  Follow this in the direction (East) toward Riegelsville and you'll see my point.  (Hopefully).

[AMoore]

Mike Thomas #828 wrote:

How dare we be so brazen as to take from those who produce and give, through forced sacrifice, to those who do not produce.



You write as if America has never had any entitlements. The war on poverty is as fruitless as the war on drugs.

Redistribution of wealth leads to the destruction of wealth.

What is it about a 14 year old kid, who is diagonosed with leukemia shortly after her father's company is downsized that leads you to believe that she should die because neither she nor her father is a producer?

What is it about a 35 year old star employee of a major corporation that gives her hc benefits that cap at 100K a year that makes you believe that she should die when she needs health care that cost 200K per year? Maybe she should have read the fine print in her insurance contract.

These are the kind of people hc reform is designed to protect, not the deadbeats who don't want to work. They already get free health care.

As I have said in previous posts, I do not take issue with people who disagree with wealth redistribution, but you should be consistently against public schools, libraries, parks, SSI, medicade, medicare, etc.

Don't get me wrong, there are many wealth redistribution programs that are overfunded or unnecessary: Ex. $700 billion annually on the military when one of our many nuclear submarines makes us the most powerful nation in the world. How many matches do we need to light the gasoline?

[Mike Thomas #828]

AMoore wrote:

Mike Thomas #828 wrote:

How dare we be so brazen as to take from those who produce and give, through forced sacrifice, to those who do not produce.



You write as if America has never had any entitlements. The war on poverty is as fruitless as the war on drugs.

Redistribution of wealth leads to the destruction of wealth.

What is it about a 14 year old kid, who is diagonosed with leukemia shortly after her father's company is downsized that leads you to believe that she should die because neither she nor her father is a producer?

What is it about a 35 year old star employee of a major corporation that gives her hc benefits that cap at 100K a year that makes you believe that she should die when she needs health care that cost 200K per year? Maybe she should have read the fine print in her insurance contract.

These are the kind of people hc reform is designed to protect, not the deadbeats who don't want to work. They already get free health care.

As I have said in previous posts, I do not take issue with people who disagree with wealth redistribution, but you should be consistently against public schools, libraries, parks, SSI, medicade, medicare, etc.

Don't get me wrong, there are many wealth redistribution programs that are overfunded or unnecessary: Ex. $700 billion annually on the military when one of our many nuclear submarines makes us the most powerful nation in the world. How many matches do we need to light the gasoline?

wow....you're SOOO compassionate!....you are a hopeless drone.

We're never allowed to look at the consequences of your policies, only the good intentions, right? Where was tort reform in the bill you left-wing lawyer hack?

[ccm911]

All right, I swore that I would not jump back in, but I feel I must.

There seems to be two "rules" as to how the right wing interprets things.  It is apparent that they have trouble with common sense, and meeting others in the middle.  To wit:

1. There is no such thing as "Po-Choice".  By adopting this label, the right can only see one as being "pro-abortion".  Their minds can not discern the concept of an individual making a choice for him(her)self without excesive societal intervention/judgement.[/*]
   
2. Any and all Social Programs will only affect the bottom rung of society "who just don't want to work anyway".  In the world  of a right-winger, nobody ever gets sick, laid off, looses a family member, or whatever.  In short, they seem to take a Hobbesian, vs Calvinist approach to life.  See...when you are a right winger, life does not throw any curve balls your way.  But in the case it does, then you are more than equipped to "pull yourself up by the bootstraps".

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I think it is really time to get some sane centrists back into the political arena.

[AMoore]

Mike Thomas #828 wrote:

AMoore wrote:

Mike Thomas #828 wrote:

you are a hopeless drone.

Where was tort reform in the bill you left-wing lawyer hack?

This is nice Mike, way to stay on the issue and the facts regarding health care reform and avoid individual attacks.

You are free to look through this entire string and notice three things. 1. I have never attacked anyone individually; 2. I focus on the elements and consequences of the legislation rather than spewing unsupported rhetoric and generalizations so as not to come off like a senseless drone who merely spews what he hears on FoxNews (I'm pretty sure I understand the issues more than 99% of the minority of Americans who are agaisnt healthcare reform; and, 3. I have addressed the tort reform issue.

Moreover, the Replicans argue that the hc reform legislation should be repealed because it infringes upon states rights. Where does the federal government get the authority to infring upon states' rights with respect to tort reform? The federal government does not even have jurisdiction over non statutory tort claims unless they involve parties from two different states.

Finally, fiscally I am quite conservative. I even worked on the campaign to have Sam Katz elected as mayor of Phila. I believe we are overtaxed, and the government overspends. I believe the retirment age should be increased to at least 70. Good luck getting that legislation passed without having term limits. Nobody will vote for it. I support healthcare reform because like education and social security, I believe it is important and necessary. I do not support a number of other costly unproductive programs, and I believe the needed programs need to work more efficiently.